EN hmmm?

[Amenadiel]

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[Kara]

Nobody but even if we play along with your trash topic L2Client would. Java developers simply create an emulator. It's their code. L2Client developers modify the files given by NCSOFT. 

[xDarkDelux]

I don’t know about you, but I didn’t take anything from NCSoft, I downloaded the game client on some kind of freeware and there were no agreements there ))

[Tryskell]

L2J is legal, and won some judgment court regarding it (at least that's what Zoey76 states).

 

Client is clearly marked as being ncsoft property - while it's probably ok to share it as it is (and maybe, even not), it's not ok to edit it and can't be used to access other servers than NCSoft ones.

 

L2OFF is based on stolen material, it's probably extremely easy for NCSoft to win if they decide to attack someone.

 

@xDarkDelux You basically accepted NCSoft rules probably hundred of times, when you click on the "I agree" button over licence on client. Not reading it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

 

All in one, it's not really "devs" which steal playerbase, but server owners. Those are the only ones to be tracked/hunted by NCSoft/Innova.

 

And your server is probably out of the radars until you become a "threat".

Edited July 9, 2021 by Tryskell

[xDarkDelux]

@Tryskell, I think I understand what you are talking about, but in the client that I downloaded from some "game server" there were no agreements and I did not press the "I agree" button

 

[Vision]

I think that what Tryskell said it's the most obvious here. L2OFF devs will have copyright problems and such. Although, I think all of these 3 options somehow they gonna have problems because the game it's not owned by them but from NCSoft so I don't know it's fucked up. If they wanted to cause any problems to the devs they would already have done it. Since they don't either, they don't care or devs giving a serious huge advertisement for their product (NCSoft - Lineage II)

[BruT]

  On 7/9/2021 at 6:27 PM, xDarkDelux said:

@Tryskell, I think I understand what you are talking about, but in the client that I downloaded from some "game server" there were no agreements and I did not press the "I agree" button

 

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nobody cares if you downloaded it or not, it doesnt belong to you, there is a law against that

[Tryskell]

  On 7/9/2021 at 6:27 PM, xDarkDelux said:

@Tryskell, I think I understand what you are talking about, but in the client that I downloaded from some "game server" there were no agreements and I did not press the "I agree" button

 

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So someone before you broke the rules for you, since he edited the client and it's not allowed (and as many games, the punition is generally player account ban), but it's not because you don't see it it doesn't exist :).

 

That's also why on L2J forums you aren't allowed to speak about client modification.

 

The emulator itself is legal. Not sure how they handled the fact the reverse-engineering to gather datapack/formulas is legal, but it looks like either that wasn't disputed, or L2J won over it.

 

Client is NCSoft intellectual property, therefore that's the only part where you can lose.

 

And since L2OFF is also tagged as intellectual property - except the extender part, which is intellectual property of whoever developped it - then basically, NCSoft can attack whoever use their materials without their consent.

 

The only viable targets are top 10/20 servers, since that playerbase is missing cash for NCSoft / Innova, and lower playerbase amount is probably not worth to attack, economically speaking.

Edited July 10, 2021 by Tryskell

[xDarkDelux]

NCSoft != Innova, innova filed complaints about sites / pages on which there is a link to download the client L2, this is a violation of the agreement. The fact of editing still needs to be proved, it is almost impossible, as well as to prove the fact of the client's reverse. And NCSoft didn’t file any complaints at all, they don’t care about everything that happens, they don’t lose anything from this, but innova - yes, it does, but only from large projects where the turnover of money is greater than that of any developers. That is why they filed lawsuits against large projects.

  On 7/9/2021 at 10:53 PM, BruT said:

nobody cares if you downloaded it or not, it doesnt belong to you, there is a law against that

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What is the law? What are you talking about? Let me give you an example: if I downloaded a song on the Internet in the public domain and cut off some part of it - am I to blame for violating some agreement that I have not even seen? If there is such a thing - the maximum they can ask of me is to delete all files associated with the agreement and stop their distribution.
By the way, has anyone seen in the agreement a clause with responsibility for violation of any of the clauses of this agreement?

[BruT]

  On 7/10/2021 at 9:59 AM, xDarkDelux said:

NCSoft != Innova, innova filed complaints about sites / pages on which there is a link to download the client L2, this is a violation of the agreement. The fact of editing still needs to be proved, it is almost impossible, as well as to prove the fact of the client's reverse. And NCSoft didn’t file any complaints at all, they don’t care about everything that happens, they don’t lose anything from this, but innova - yes, it does, but only from large projects where the turnover of money is greater than that of any developers. That is why they filed lawsuits against large projects.

What is the law? What are you talking about? Let me give you an example: if I downloaded a song on the Internet in the public domain and cut off some part of it - am I to blame for violating some agreement that I have not even seen? If there is such a thing - the maximum they can ask of me is to delete all files associated with the agreement and stop their distribution.
By the way, has anyone seen in the agreement a clause with responsibility for violation of any of the clauses of this agreement?

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It is illegal to download any music or movies that are copyrighted. Downloading or file-sharing a copyrighted song or movie could expose you to a lawsuit for money damages that could cost you hundreds or even thousands of dollars.

[xDarkDelux]

  On 7/11/2021 at 4:57 PM, BruT said:

 

It is illegal to download any music or movies that are copyrighted. Downloading or file-sharing a copyrighted song or movie could expose you to a lawsuit for money damages that could cost you hundreds or even thousands of dollars.

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Most likely, the one who distributes illegally will have to answer. But read the innova agreement, where from the very beginning it is clearly stated that by downloading the game client from THEIR site, you automatically agree to their terms of use. 99% of people living on this forum and on other similar topics most likely downloaded the client not from THEIR site. But the innova has made a claim as a copyright holder and requires the termination of distribution, this can be clearly seen in their claim, which clearly indicates the links to the pages with the game client files.

[BruT]

  On 7/11/2021 at 10:16 PM, xDarkDelux said:

Most likely, the one who distributes illegally will have to answer. But read the innova agreement, where from the very beginning it is clearly stated that by downloading the game client from THEIR site, you automatically agree to their terms of use. 99% of people living on this forum and on other similar topics most likely downloaded the client not from THEIR site. But the innova has made a claim as a copyright holder and requires the termination of distribution, this can be clearly seen in their claim, which clearly indicates the links to the pages with the game client files.

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i think there is nothing to argue, if u get in trouble for moding ncsoft's game u can explain that to the court.