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Tigeris Newbie

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everything worked smoothly til some kiddo went to server forum and cryed about mage (cant play , to low pdef, to low dmg , blablabla) , then some other kid , and another .... owner seeing 5 kids out of 400 players crying Started to "BALANCE" server , nerfed archers, daggers, etc etc , till mages went OP , imagine :D , now other kids started to cry about theyr archers . Anyhow becomes boring .

 

The thing its . Server started very well , now its going DOWN DOWN . More they try to balance , more they unbalance , and ppl flee ... It waz a very promising server , BUT if owner dont stop this balance bullsh1t , and restore all classes as LINEAGE2 official , there always will be a kid that will cry about his char . Server went from VERY PROMISING , in 1 week to ALMOST FAILURE.

 

Good job vim/kumo. Ps: check ur online players compared to last week when u started to "balance" and u will see what u made.

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1. First of all I'd like to ask you, who exactly are you? Are you a leader of some respected clan or at least it's member, or are you just some random who dislikes current changes?

 

2. ...til some kiddo went to server forum... then some other kid , and another .... owner seeing 5 kids out...

When we were discussing this stuff on ventrilo, I had Sisenors members on it, nonfactor, ve, and a bunch of other member/clan leaders from respective clans. How exactly can you call those people "kids"?

They are what you call "best of the best". Calling them kids just put you down in a bad light. If anyone knows what balance is, then it would DEFINITELY be them.

 

3. ...nerfed archers, daggers, ...

This is the part that I do not understand. How can you say I nerfed archers and daggers if I UNnerfed them?

Archers were nerfed by 30%, I unnerfed them by 15%, leaving only 15% nerf in place. How exactly can you call 15% boost in status a "nerf"?

 

4. [i Server started very well now its going DOWN DOWN. Server went from VERY PROMISING , in 1 week to ALMOST FAILURE.[/i]

I dissagree. You aren't the one with //who (shows how many players there are online) command. I basically had to do reboots at 3 in the morning since we basically had 300+ at any given time.

I, yet again, fail to see what you are trying to say here.

 

Good job vim/kumo.

I wasn't the one that came up with this, senior players did. Everyone could come on Ventrilo and speak up btw, were you there? Seeing how even your current arguments have close to zero or no value I highly doubt that.

 

Ps: check ur online players compared to last week when u started to "balance" and u will see what u made.

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It's 17:36 my time. Last week, this number showed ~300.

In the evening, it goes WAY above 400.

 

Again, what you are trying to say is?

 

For conclusion a couple of facts:

In interlude with pow, siren dance, blue wolf (or equivalent) and valakas necklace, SPS has (according to formula) over 100% chance to do a magic crit. Even without it, with, let's say dark crystal and without valakas it has close to 40-50%. Do you have ANY idea what kind of m.critical chance they had?

If an sps was VERY lucky, they critted 1/10 nukes.

 

Fact nr2. A full stacked mage party will ALWAYS take down a full stacked archer party (talking about retail interlude). Why is that? Glad you asked! MCRITS for crying out loud! Were mages on dismay doing any? They sure as hell weren't doing them before these updates.

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Regards, Vim.

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im a simple player , on a simple clan , i dont want u in my back on server cause u dont like my opinions that why i dont say my name.

 

On topic: played so many servers like : l2world,frozen,osiris,dexternet.

 

2.u started that discusion on ventrilo AFTER some random kids made topics on ur forum crying about theyr mage cant pwn . And after u made some changes on server that affected gameplay so hard that all server start to flame u on giran . Keyword: AFTER . U made that ventrilo chat AFTER all that.

 

3.u nerfed them so hard > exemples: Archer full buff+sb+10focus+cat buff crit on mage for 1k dmg. Thats nonsense .

                                                                    Dagger : another cry on forum and u made this to dagger : crit dmg reduced by at least 40%(tested), switch +trick coulddown with champ,rene its 20 secs (that make huge diference in olympiad) , lethal land rate reduced (also tested) .

    All this cause u thought that mages cannot handle pvp well here .

After that changes waz active for 2-3 days u changed to wat u sayd at ur .3

 

4. Ur olympiad system waz bugged till 10/11/2009 , ppl could not use that system cause of some geodata problems. U or kumo sayd After we fix the olympiad system we will have a FRESH START ( 14 days fight period , 15th day hero day.) U fixed oly at 11/11/09 and hero waz elected 14/11/09 . Kumo kept his word ( or not ? )

 

5. Cause of all that "balance" crap , ur server became unstable and u restarted server or offline time for nothing so many times.

 

Anywayz i came here to tell u all this , cause on ur forums u barely read them or all this discution will open another flame spree , endless pointless discutions.

 

Concluzions: ur server its now almost like u start it (as class balance i mean), that balance days waz just time lost , and i hope u learn smthing about that . U lost time when u could for example , fix real bugs ( oly glitch buffs , AI 2 mins instead of 1 etc....) , events like that in PI , add customs ..and so on .

 

 

I will still play ur server cause i like the setups like : rebirth system, nobless system , farm system , rates and so on. Even if u say u didnt lost some players after all those problems u had cause of "balance" things , its imposible not to notice that giran/Ef/Pi its less crowded then 4-5 days ago.  The thing its if u made a setup on a server , ppl join and like that setup , they stay , if u continue this random changes in pursuit of "balance" that its imposible to achive in lineage2 u will end like all other short (2-3 months)  lifetime servers that die rly fast. 1 thing iv learnd in l2 , nerfing 1 class , u OP another1 , stop listening crybabies on forum and focus on fixing bugs.

 

All my best for u and all staff , and rly , u guys who had patience to read all my crap , this server rly deserve a try. www.l2dismay.com

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I made Two ventrilo meetings. One was before, one was after (to which noone came. I presume because balance now is good).

Archers and daggers had 30% nerf for almost 2 weeks now. I unnerfed that 2-3 days ago. Archers are now critting for about 2-4k on a mage which is perfectly normal.

 

Mages COULD NOT handle pvp. Have you seen ANY mage pvp parties on dismay? ANY? Other than cancel sps parties there weren't any. Pvp on PI took 20 minutes. That is, mages won after they canceled every single buff from the archers. Is that what you called a balanced class? If you do, read what I wrote above. On interlude, stacked mages should clean up the archers in under 5min.

 

Noone said there will be a fresh start. How do you even intend to do  fresh start of olympiad in the middle of the week? Do you REALLY think we'd do that? Come on, it would mess up period for eternity. you'd have competition end on tuesday, validation on wednesday and new match on thursday. Like anyone could follow up to that.

 

Server is not unstable. Every time we rebooted we did it for a reason (seriously, how can class balance make server unbalanced? You're talking nonsense again).

 

I read forum almost every hour, that is, if there is anything worth reading. Sadly, lately I do nothing but move topics to trash section due to all the constant flaming that goes on between players.

 

I do not think I lost time, before the balance I was getting insane amount of pm's, both on forum and ingame. Now it stopped, almost. There are still some randoms who complain (because they can't rickroll other classes anymore), but majority likes it.

 

Again, changes that were done here were discussed with top pvp'ers on the server, core L2 players. I never, EVER listen to crybabies. You might think some people on forum were randoms, but they weren't.

 

Fact is, it would take like 10 minutes for us to revert all the changes, but then, 90% of players would complain again how everything is unbalanced and stuff. There will ALWAYS be someone who lives to ruin the hard effort we put in even though what he says makes no stand at all.

 

If you wish to discuss current status, feel free to bring the clans together, join ventrilo and we can discuss it like we did before. But do not expect me to simply change it because YOU said so. I will never do that.

 

Regards, Vim.

 

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just a great read. GL with ur server tomcraft or embass? gl with ur server, i see ur doing a great work. I cant play l2 atm but as soon as i get shits done i will come back to ur server.

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vim at least now when u added that donations for +13 SA S Weapons , make AM enchant rate like fighter weapons , a normal player will get am+13 acumen in 10 years in your server. And maybe u add an option to change our rebirth tatoos , its not like to have more then1 , just to change them while u dont need m.atk on archer/dagger , or atk.speed on mage.

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