Discussion The Balance (Typical)

[Karasu]

In specific situations every character class can use ultimates, you are totally non-logic.

Typical mind of you guys... thats why Lineage 2 game is dying...

You are saying that Original Balance is not Balance...

Original Puma Shoes are not Original.

 

I'm not trying to prove that balance exists or no, for me its clear... i'm not playing Official even if its free.

But i'm wondering what you guys think its balance?

 

why i trust my balance style?

is simple

 

with almost each class u can get over 500 points in oly or maybe 1k ,with almost each class ,u can beat ur anti with some luck, with almost each class u can be rank 1 in pvp *except for tanks, they are not meant to be top pvp* and ofc im not including classes like summoner or blabla ,im talking about top dps classes here

 

i only saw this kind of balance on russian servers and ive played a lot of them ,i trust their source ,ive played sph/gh/pw/sk/gladi ,ive made over 1k points with all of them in oly and on pvp ,i was like 2nd,3rd cuz i could not compete with those russian nolifer freaks that played 20/24 pvp without oly etc xD

 

u get my points ,thats balance for me ,so far i havent saw this balance on "NORMAL freyas/hi5" (well ive mostly played epilogue/gracia final) ,and interlude is forgotten client for me ,i am not even looking back

[Guest Elfocrash]

You are saying that Original Balance is not Balance...

Original Puma Shoes are not Original.

That's my damn point. Im not saying that original balance is not balance.

IT NEVER EXISTED. THE GAME WAS NEVER BALANCED AND WASNT EVNE MEANT TO BE.

 

Deal with it. I don't stay talking to mindless guys that can't undestand things they never experienced.

[Sea]

why i trust my balance style?

is simple

 

with almost each class u can get over 500 points in oly or maybe 1k ,with almost each class ,u can beat ur anti with some luck, with almost each class u can be rank 1 in pvp *except for tanks, they are not meant to be top pvp* and ofc im not including classes like summoner or blabla ,im talking about top dps classes here

 

So each class can beat each directly say.

[Karasu]

So each class can beat each directly say.

 

i gaved an example that trickster could beat a dagger if dagger not use UE and implements/land a seed on him while he run ,then dagger is get beated but for that u need luck for seed and make sure dagger have no skills on

 

And ,i writed my example about slh against dagger there

 

so basically this is best balance u could ever dream and ul be able to find it on best russian server and on my server soon

 

oh ,and this is a rly smart part of what i could tell u

 

who gives a damn about l2off now rly? im talking about l2j with full enchanted armors etc

 

when other says their server is balanced 95% ,it means ,it sucks and they have no clue about l2 ,when u see someone telling they worked hard for balance ,have experienced players ,developers etc and prove it,then that source is trustable

 

they say 2525256% balanced but they dont show what they did ,they dont explain how things works and there is more if u want me to explain about these hypocrits that release server after server just for some money without even touching tah damn files, excuse my term if u consider ur self an hypocrite that release random servers for some euro xD

[^Wyatt]

Why do u use all topics where u reply to talk about "your server", trashtalking about "the other servers", and things like that?

Stay On-Topic and stop replying things that have nothing to do with the conversation, please...

[Karasu]

Why do u use all topics where u reply to talk about "your server", trashtalking about "the other servers", and things like that?

Stay On-Topic and stop replying things that have nothing to do with the conversation, please...

 

its all about what balance means ,Do u even know what offtopic means?

 

indeed im talking about my server and other server but the subject is about balance

[^Wyatt]

ok I think I just read it bad, whatever, QQ

Maybe coz I saw u in another post doing it and here I read it fast and I thought was the same, my apologizzzes  :rage:

[Meister]

Ofc balance exist on official since there are no crapy buffs / dance , so support class is a must on mass pvp and boosted on 1vs1 it's how l2 should be you can't say that a hierophant is useless vs a player who has no buffs :S

[ZaNteR]

This discussion is pointless the bottom line is lineage2 has too many variables to consider on pvp. Thats the main reason it was never and it will never be balanced.

 

Lineage 2 was made more for PvE than for PvP.

[Gries]

Balance doesn't exist since there is a different REAL person behind any character, also anything is influenced by many factors such as skill mastery, magical/physical critical, debuff landed and so on.

 

However, every update in retail brought a new best class among the others.

 

About:

I'm trying to say is that people doesn't even actually know what they want, since they doesn't know what balance is.

Players know already what they want in every server and for sure it is playing a class which is the best over the others.

[Slayerduck]

ADMIN PLIX PLOX FIX DAGGERZ THEY HIT ME 2,5k CRIT OMG OMG OMG  :good sir:

[sandpants]

The balance means that there are no class that can kill everything else. Thats Over Power.

Lel

 

And if every class can beat every other class? All classes overpowered?

 

Nothing worse than Rock Paper Scissor balance in an RPG where you are locked into playing 4 classes out of 30+ on a single char.

 

 

IMO the issue is that people compare classes. Raw power is the only thing theory can account for. And precisely because of the stupid 1999 cast speed and 1500 atk speed bullsht is that raw power has higher value in players eyes. Then Devs and Admins get the same impression.

 

See, just because a Judicator has sht for damage and has low atk skills and has 15s buffs doesn't mean it's underpowered. It's underpowered relative to a particular system. 30 buff slots, stupid stats, perma top tier gear on every opponent.

 

The weight of things change as you change the environment (buffs/gear).

 

If people had to choose 15 buffs, if armor and weapons had sustainability costs so that they were afraid to fight in s84 every time and if atk spd and cst spd were slow enough for skill players to react to a high value ability of their opponent to use a counter ability - PvP in this game would have become infinitely better.

 

But sheep follow other sheep - people will keep playing with 30 buff slots and infinite MP and other nonsense all kids nowadays want and will keep complaining about balance.

 

This is inbalanced in raw power. But it is overcome by player skill. As you make things faster and increase the raw ceiling you weed out the factor of skill and you get situations where no matter what a Dreadnaught, Maestro, or Summoners do, they won't beat other "true DDs". And guess what other people tell you? They're not PvP classes...

 

 

/rant.end

[TОDО]

Balance doesn't exists on nowdays servers thats all.

 

(all else doesn't metter)  ;D

 

OFFTOPIC.

I SAW WHAT U TRY TO DO

[Karasu]

IT doesnt exist because noone is smart enough or have patience to do it

 

I will share the secret

 

first of all

copy formulas from l2off on skill landrates,dmg to your server ,make sure is approximative

 

second of all ,you need to adapt l2off balance to pvp server (after u get full hp from armor bonus ,it wont be balance anymore ,well better than random default balance from javas ofc ,still much better ,way much better ,in that case ,take formulas from a russian pvp server ,their pack is private creation that adapted l2off balance to customised pvp server and balance is almost good as l2 in a lowrate server [in that case]

 

now third step

You can add skills like resist bow/dagger blabla to each class (but that mean u have to rework classes 24x24=576 or 32x32=1024 times rework each class and with your self and 2-3 more players just in case with 5-6 years who aknowledge this game perfectly ,can make true balance but this require shitload of patience and may take months

 

And ofc ,u wont achieve perfect balance but close to it ,where all classes have chance to beat all classes (most of ppl dont like this concept) so preferable choose a less better balance where people enjoy to get pked by their classes and enjoy pking their toy classes and etc but where u can beat 80% classes easy and other 20% with huge luck/noobs

 

[Zardanico]

Well if there wasn't a balance in official there would only be 3 classes each of them with the same stats.

Balance in official means knowing everything about your class, if there's 2 partys pvping for over 20 minutes that's called balance, they knew their class since in official every class as a role in the party and they could keep being alive.

Now if there's a party killing other partys, well you can't call that unbalance but knowing how to play.

The balance always came to the players and how they choose to play. True, there's classes that just can't kill every other class, that's part of the balance because Lineage II was never meant to be played 1 vs 1, we do it and if we die by a class which wasn't supposed to kill us doesn't mean that there wasn't a balance in the fight because it all comes to which one is playing their class better.