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tha ithela na kanw mia erotisi kai na moy apantisete me basis ton gnoseon sas

( an den kserete apofigete na apantisete den xriazete na gemisi me spam kai ayto edw to topic )

 

L2jacis 360 rev

L2jFrozen 1004 rev

 

me pio apo ta parapano pisteyete oti tha exw kalitero  memory managemend h cpu managemend

 

epidi sto proigoymeno Topic moy poloi anideoi dithen developer pano stin java spamaran to topic kai klidothike gia ayton ton logo

ekana ayto edw to new topic : dinontas pio polla info etsi oste kai osoi den exoyn basikes gnosis na mporoun na katanoisoyn tin doylia enos developer otan exei na kani me java server

 

opos anefera kai sto proigoymeno topic oloi mporoume sto pack mas na kanoyme spawn 5000 mob se ena simio kai na kanoyme kill me ton admin ola ta mob taytoxrona ( gia na mporesoyme na doyme tin antidrasi toy server ) se oli tin diarkia toy test 

 

dld posi ram kai poso cpu katanaloni oso den pirazoyme ta mob, ti diafora tha exei otan ta kanoyme kill kai ksana bgoun

ayta ta 5000 mob se enan server einai san na einai 300 online paixtes se 10 diaforetika zone me polla mob's

 

opote osi pio poli ram kai cpu katanalonoyn toso pio konta einai to lag h to crash toy server

 

Edit:

edw aneyasa kai ena video me ena test sta 5000 mob


pos sas fenete h diaxirisi ?

 

dite kai edw kata poso mpori na kaliterepsi 


 


to aCis Team kai kapioi akoma [ Tryskell ,Sweet ,Trance ,Elfocrach ,xxdem kai polloi akoma poy den toys thimame twra ]

eno me koroideyan oti ayta poy lew einai gelia kai axrista ktl ktl

afierosan diomisi mines gia na bgaloyn ta 2 epomena rev 361 kai 362 gia na kanoyn ayto akribos to pragma

opos mporite na dite sto rev 362 RAM/CPU usage poy einai paketaki me to 361

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ξερεις ποσα mobs ειναι spawned απο retail?

βαλε μονο οτι υπαρχουν πανω 17k NPCs στο L2 (γενικα μιλαω οχι μονο monsters) εγω σου βαζω τα 2κ μονο να ειναι monsters (που δεν ειναι τοσα αλλα λεμε τωρα) και βαλε οτι το καθε monster ειναι spawned το λιγοτερο σε 20,30 σημεια που σημαινει στην καλυτερη 2k x 30 = 60k monsters spanwed, αν ηταν να ειχες προβλημα θα ειχες ετσι και αλλιως. Απλα στα custom zones που θα φτιαξεις μην βαλεις τα monsters πολυ κοντα το ενα στο αλλο γιατι θα εχεις προβλημα με client οπως ειπαμε και στο προηγουμενο topic.

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sigkekrimena h spawn list se enan interlude server kani spawn sxedon 41k mob kai einai sxedon 3000 diaforetika npcid

omos den milame sikgekrimena gia emena milame gia ena apo ta parapano project ( an exeis na moy protinis kai kapio allo na to prosthesw )

 

px an kanw kapia ( instance / dimension ) kai to kathe ena apo ayta kani new spawn 500 mob.  kai mpoun se ayta ta event 100 ksexoristoi pextes

o cpu tha baresi kokina se aytin tin periptosi.tote tha fteei o manager toy instance h to base pack ?

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δεν εχει να κανει με τον υπολογιστη σου, αν ειχες τετοιο προβλημα θα το ειχες ετσι και αλλιως με τοσα monsters που ειναι spawned.

για μενα καλυτερα παρε aCis απο ολες τις πλευρες. ειναι πιο καθαρο, πιο stable, πιο "ελαφρυ" δεν θα εχεις κανενα προβλημα, απλα αρκει να εχεις γνωσεις να το στησεις οπως θες γιατι το aCis οπως ξερεις ειναι clean δεν εχει τιποτα μεσα απο customs

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δεν εχει να κανει με τον υπολογιστη σου, αν ειχες τετοιο προβλημα θα το ειχες ετσι και αλλιως με τοσα monsters που ειναι spawned.

για μενα καλυτερα παρε aCis απο ολες τις πλευρες. ειναι πιο καθαρο, πιο stable, πιο "ελαφρυ" δεν θα εχεις κανενα προβλημα, απλα αρκει να εχεις γνωσεις να το στησεις οπως θες γιατι το aCis οπως ξερεις ειναι clean δεν εχει τιποτα μεσα απο customs

san ena geniko plano kala moy ta les

fisika omos kai den prepei ta tosa monster na epireazon toso poli enan server ( kata tin gnomi moy ) opos kai oi diaxirisi me toys paixtes eprepe na einai diaforetiki

 

egw distixos exw mini kai doyleyw pano sto acis logo toy oti einai katharo apo extra code's kai einai o monos logos poy den doylepsa kapio apo ta alla 2 project

gia ayton ton logo ekana ayto edw to topic gia tis apopsis sas kai tis dokimes poy exete kani kai esis se ayto to project h se kapio apo ta parapano

enan tetio manager pio apo ta 3 pack pisteyhs oti tha ton stirize pio kala ?

stin oysia tha einai san na kanis spawn 5000 mob se ena simio skepsoy to :P

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san ena geniko plano kala moy ta les

fisika omos kai den prepei ta tosa monster na epireazon toso poli enan server ( kata tin gnomi moy ) opos kai oi diaxirisi me toys paixtes eprepe na einai diaforetiki

 

egw distixos exw mini kai doyleyw pano sto acis logo toy oti einai katharo apo extra code's kai einai o monos logos poy den doylepsa kapio apo ta alla 2 project

gia ayton ton logo ekana ayto edw to topic gia tis apopsis sas kai tis dokimes poy exete kani kai esis se ayto to project h se kapio apo ta parapano

enan tetio manager pio apo ta 3 pack pisteyhs oti tha ton stirize pio kala ?

stin oysia tha einai san na kanis spawn 5000 mob se ena simio skepsoy to :P

αν ηταν να υπηρχε προβλημα τοτε φαντασου καθε server που εχει instances τι προβλημα θα υπηρχε.. δεν θα εχεις κανενα προβλημα και προφανως για μενα οπως σου ξαναειπα δουλεψε με aCis θα στηριξει καλυτερο οτιδηποτε θελεις να προσθσεις..

βεβαια προφανως αν αφησεις ανοιχτα connections και γενικα δημιουργησεις ενα χαος μεσα στο core μην περιμενεις να λειτουργει στην πενα

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αν ηταν να υπηρχε προβλημα τοτε φαντασου καθε server που εχει instances τι προβλημα θα υπηρχε.. δεν θα εχεις κανενα προβλημα και προφανως για μενα οπως σου ξαναειπα δουλεψε με aCis θα στηριξει καλυτερο οτιδηποτε θελεις να προσθσεις..

βεβαια προφανως αν αφησεις ανοιχτα connections και γενικα δημιουργησεις ενα χαος μεσα στο core μην περιμενεις να λειτουργει στην πενα

isos epidi prosexoyn ta spawn poy kanoyn add ( den exw di kai polla instance me 500 mob ) 

alla kai pali den moy apantas stin basiki erotisi ksekathara : pio apo ta 3 kata tin pira soy exei tin kaliteri diaxirisi

edosa 2 paradigmata me polla instance h me enan megalo ari8mo mob se ena simio

ayta einai paradigmata to idio isxih gia 800 online pextes se ena simio opos siege h farm 

apla epidi ta test me toys pextes den einai kai toso eykola gia ayto rotaw me mob :P

 

Edit:

soy ekana kai ena video na moy pis tin apopsi soy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYooSnQDcfw

Edited by pirama
Posted

κοιταξε, αν εχεις συνηθισει σε frozen προφανως το aCis θα σου φανει παλουκι να το κανεις edit, π.χ. αν θελεις να βγαλεις τα drops απο ολα τα mobs (σου δινω ενα πολυ απλο παραδειγμα για να καταλαβεις) πρεπει να ανοιξεις ολα τα xml απο τα NPCs και να βγαλεις 1,1 τα drops ουσιαστικα γιατι αν κανεις απλα αντικατασταση να βγουν αυτα τα drops υπαρχει μεγαλη πιθανοτητα να σβησει κατι το οποιο στην πορεια να σου προκαλεσει προβληματα με τα NPCs (το εχω παθει γιαυτο στο λεω) γενικα θελει περισσοτερη δουλεια για να φτιαξεις πραγματα που στο frozen π.χ. θα ηταν παιχνιδακι, αλλα ειναι καθαρο, ειναι πιο stable και ξερεις το παραμικρο custom που θα βαλεις μεσα που ειναι και τι ειναι, χωρις να πρεπει να ψαχνεσαι που ειναι το καθε custom και αν θες να το αλλαξεις που πρεπει να ψαξεις κλπ κλπ..

 

οπως και να εχει κατα την γνωμη μου και με βαση τα οσα εχω δει ως τωρα σε ολα τα projects που εχω δοκιμασει γιατι εχω δοκιμασει σχεδον καθε IL που υπαρχει απο καθε χωρα το aCis ειναι οτι καλυτερο μπορεις να χρησιμοποιησεις.

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aderfe eisai tromera kalos kai se eyxaristw poli gia ayta poy grafis kai prospathis na me boithisis

alla pistepse me den xriazome aytin tin boithia kai se eyxaristw para poli poy afieroses toso xrono gia na moy grapsis

ola ayta ta omorfa kai eygenika post 

 

alla bro exeis bgi ligo apo to thema ( den zitaw boithia )

sigkrisis kanw sta pack kato apo kapies proipothesis px edw einai ena test pos simperiferete sta 5000 mob se ena simio toy game

 

edw einai h diaxirisi toy acis 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYooSnQDcfw

 

edw einai base acis me dika moy fix kai edit gia tin diaxirisi tis ram kai toy cpu ston server

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhBvMuivRk8

 

me ayto to skeptiko egeine to topic ayto na mporesoyme na sigkrinoyme pack's

allages poy exoyme kani 

dld na mporesoyme na doyme poy ponane ta pack kai na doyme an ginete na beltio8oyn

Posted

re panivlaka  to l2 den itane pote ftiagmeno gia na kanei spawn 5k NPCs se ena simio.

 

Epidi eisai stokos, anti na les oti fteei to aCis, afou eisai toso kalos vres ti routines pou einai heavy ston aCis (L2Off like AI, Mechanics) sta NPC kai vgalta.

 

O server sou meta 9a sikwnei anenoxlitos 50k NPC se ena region, ala o client 9a psofaei opws psofaei kai me ta 5k pou exeis twra.

 

 

Stoke

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re panivlaka to l2 den itane pote ftiagmeno gia na kanei spawn 5k NPCs se ena simio.

 

Epidi eisai stokos, anti na les oti fteei to aCis, afou eisai toso kalos vres ti routines pou einai heavy ston aCis (L2Off like AI, Mechanics) sta NPC kai vgalta.

 

O server sou meta 9a sikwnei anenoxlitos 50k NPC se ena region, ala o client 9a psofaei opws psofaei kai me ta 5k pou exeis twra.

 

 

Stoke

katarxin den se evrise kapios esena kai pistepseme trexw to pack tou einai einai poli light oxi mono sta 5k npc i sta 548465478 spawn npc pou exei i spawnlist alla den varenei to pc oso paramenei anoixtos..giauto an to vreis k to kaneis k esi ksanakane replay edw....

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re panivlaka to l2 den itane pote ftiagmeno gia na kanei spawn 5k NPCs se ena simio.

 

Epidi eisai stokos, anti na les oti fteei to aCis, afou eisai toso kalos vres ti routines pou einai heavy ston aCis (L2Off like AI, Mechanics) sta NPC kai vgalta.

 

O server sou meta 9a sikwnei anenoxlitos 50k NPC se ena region, ala o client 9a psofaei opws psofaei kai me ta 5k pou exeis twra.

 

 

Stoke

ma ayto einai poy den mporis na katalabis .... ( DEN MILAW GIA TO CLIENT )

sta 5000 mob fenete to ti ginete ston server ( oti den exei management * )

kane to test me 10 mob mono tha mporesis na dis kamia diafora ?

 

gia ayto kanw test me polla mob gia na einai entoni h diafora stin xrisi toy cpu kai tis ram otan kani ayta ta trela aneyokateyasmata

sigoyra tha kani analogika to idio peksimo kai sta ligotera mob ... skepsoy to ligo prin apantisis pali me ( prosblitika logia ) :)

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Den einai magiko pou suzhtame gia client side frame issues kai vazoume ta pack sthn mesh? kanei spawn sto L2DEV tool 5k mobs (to opoio trexei xwris server side) kai vgale ena video na deis ti paizei. Tha ginei akrivos to idio pragma giati o logos pou kolas einai to oti to client prospathei na kanei render objects ta opoia den einia ftiagmenos na kanei.

 

No matter the code to systima se kapoio sugekrimeno arithmo objects arxizei kai skalwnei, giati to UE2 den eixe texnikes pou exoun ta sugxrona engine opws to na kopseis static meshes se kapoio distance h kapoia effects gia na mporesei na antapekselthei sto load. 

 

Kai an thes pragmatika auta ta test na exoun kapoio apotelesma prepei na hostareis ton server se diaforetiko pc apo ekei pou exeis to client.

 

Pistepse me to i7 skylake, 32gb ram kai 2 980m SLI Laptopaki mou isws kai na mhn eixa kanena provlhma alla profanws den xreiazete 3 xilarika mhxanima gia na paikseis l2 giati to test pou kaneis einai mh realistiko senario.

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min me kaneis na ksanagrafw ka9isterimene. To aCis exei sto AI routines pou einai varies wste na miasei sto l2off pou KAI afto 9a ixe akrivws to idio provlima an ekanes 5k spawns. Anikse L2MonsterAI kai des ton kwdika. Exei poles leptomeries mesa pou den fenonte sto apiro mati to diko sou kai tou ka9e ka9isterimenou pou paizei server me 5k spaws se ena simio, ala kanoun apistefti diafora ston palio kalo l2 player pou 9elei na paizei retail.

 

TO L2 DEN EXEI FTIAXTEI GIA NA KANEI 5K SPAWNS SE ENA SIMIO.

 

An eixe ftiaxtei 9a eixe grafei me ali texnologia kai SIGOURA pio aplo AI.

 

 

Se parakalw as klisei i sizitisi edw, parto san gnwsi apo ptixiouxo developer me apires wres douleias panw se AI.

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Den einai magiko pou suzhtame gia client side frame issues kai vazoume ta pack sthn mesh? kanei spawn sto L2DEV tool 5k mobs (to opoio trexei xwris server side) kai vgale ena video na deis ti paizei. Tha ginei akrivos to idio pragma giati o logos pou kolas einai to oti to client prospathei na kanei render objects ta opoia den einia ftiagmenos na kanei.

 

No matter the code to systima se kapoio sugekrimeno arithmo objects arxizei kai skalwnei, giati to UE2 den eixe texnikes pou exoun ta sugxrona engine opws to na kopseis static meshes se kapoio distance h kapoia effects gia na mporesei na antapekselthei sto load. 

 

Kai an thes pragmatika auta ta test na exoun kapoio apotelesma prepei na hostareis ton server se diaforetiko pc apo ekei pou exeis to client.

 

Pistepse me to i7 skylake, 32gb ram kai 2 980m SLI Laptopaki mou isws kai na mhn eixa kanena provlhma alla profanws den xreiazete 3 xilarika mhxanima gia na paikseis l2 giati to test pou kaneis einai mh realistiko senario.

ta test poy kanw einai kai ta 2 sto idio pc ( kai pote den kitaksa to lag toy client )

 

milaw gia server side :

acis clean 30% cpu kai 3.2 GB ram

acis me edit 5% cpu kai 1,6 GB ram

an kanis to idio test me ligotera mob tha exeis analogika me ta mob kai antistixes endiksis 

 

to ksana lew POTE DEN MILISA GIA TO CLIENT

 

min me kaneis na ksanagrafw ka9isterimene. To aCis exei sto AI routines pou einai varies wste na miasei sto l2off pou KAI afto 9a ixe akrivws to idio provlima an ekanes 5k spawns. Anikse L2MonsterAI kai des ton kwdika. Exei poles leptomeries mesa pou den fenonte sto apiro mati to diko sou kai tou ka9e ka9isterimenou pou paizei server me 5k spaws se ena simio, ala kanoun apistefti diafora ston palio kalo l2 player pou 9elei na paizei retail.

 

TO L2 DEN EXEI FTIAXTEI GIA NA KANEI 5K SPAWNS SE ENA SIMIO.

 

An eixe ftiaxtei 9a eixe grafei me ali texnologia kai SIGOURA pio aplo AI.

 

 

Se parakalw as klisei i sizitisi edw, parto san gnwsi apo ptixiouxo developer me apires wres douleias panw se AI.

 

edw exeis ena mikro dikio oti theli kai h Ai anabathmisi gia na dis to apotelesma poy dixnw sto video 

 

 

 

 

 

Edit : parakalo poli Elfo kai xxdev na menete sto thema milaw gia Server managemend kai oxi gia client

sas exw kani share 2 video gia na dite ta paradigmata kai esis sinexizete na grafete gia client

 

ama ithela na grapsw gia client tha pigena sto http://www.maxcheaters.com/forum/41-client-development-discussion/

minete entos thematos parakalo

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