Woot? WE NEED HELP!

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http://www.topix.com/forum/world/macedonia/TAAAAFN23PMGMJ147

 

VOTE THAT MACEDONIA IS HELENIC!!

THE 44% (551,754 votes) says that it is not!!!

[Cook]

pfffffff. Bored as FUCK!

Arguing about the same shit over and over and over again.

let them believe what they want. Macedonia Was,is and allways will be greek.

what's the point of voting in a forum?

[ExTrEmEDwarf]

Voted yes.

[™StarЯdoм®]

Voted yes.

[Coyote™]

141.248 pages, lol.

Votes yes, ofc.

[MiraDBZ]

Voted yes.

[ZeRo*]

lol...Why we must discuss it ? Macedonia is greek...!!! IF Fyrom want it they can come with a war...I will not say what they will take...We have kids here :X

 

Macedonia is greek and we don't care for them (fyrom ppl) ;)

[DreaM]

Voted NO.

[MiraDBZ]

Voted NO.

 

Reason? Or there isn't any?

[MasterDisaster]

YES IT IS YOU BASTARDS OF FYROM!

[GrisoM]

Voted NO.

 

[ProJecT]

Before say anything about me. I am Greek! My mum and may father are Greek.

 

 

I voted No. All Greeks should know that Macedonia wasn't part a of Greece. Before 2 years my class had a conversation with some teachers about this theme, all teachers said that it's not a part of Greece.

 

 

Macedonia is has a total area of 25,713 km2 (9,928 sq mi). It has some 748 km (465 mi) of boundaries, shared with Serbia (62 km or 39 mi) to the North, Kosovo (159 km or 99 mi) to the northwest, Bulgaria (148 km or 92 mi) to the east, Greece (228 km or 142 mi) to the south, and Albania (151 km or 94 mi) to the west. It is a transit way for shipment of goods from Greece, through the Balkans, towards Eastern, Western and Central Europe and through Bulgaria to the East. It is part of a larger region also known as Macedonia, which also includes a region of northern Greece known by the same name; and the Blagoevgrad province in southwestern Bulgaria.

 

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Macedonia  is a landlocked country located in the Vardar Macedonia region in the central Balkan peninsula in Southeastern Europe. It is one of the successor states of the former Yugoslavia, from which it declared independence in 1991. It became a member of the United Nations in 1993, but as a result of a dispute with Greece over its name, it was admitted under the provisional reference of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia, sometimes abbreviated as FYROM.

 

A landlocked country, the Republic of Macedonia is bordered by Kosovo to the northwest, Serbia to the north, Bulgaria to the east, Greece to the south and Albania to the west. The country's capital is Skopje, with 506,926 inhabitants according to a 2004 census. Other cities include Bitola, Kumanovo, Prilep, Tetovo, Ohrid, Veles, Štip, Kočani, Gostivar and Strumica. It has more than 50 lakes and sixteen mountains higher than 2,000 m (6,562 ft). Macedonia is a member of the UN and the Council of Europe. Since December 2005 it has also been a candidate for joining the European Union and has applied for NATO membership.

 

In antiquity, most of the territory that is now the Republic of Macedonia was included in the kingdom of Paeonia, which was populated by the Paeonians, a people of Thracian origins, but also parts of ancient Illyria and Dardania, inhabited by various Illyrian peoples, and Lyncestis and Pelagonia populated by Molossian tribes. None of these had fixed boundaries; they were sometimes subject to the Kings of Macedon, and sometimes broke away. In 336 BC Philip II of Macedon conquered Upper Macedonia, including its northern part and southern Paeonia, which both now lie within the Republic of Macedonia. Philip's son Alexander the Great conquered the remainder of the region, reaching as far north as the Danube, and incorporated it in his empire. The Romans included most of the area of the current Republic in their Province of Macedonia, but the northernmost parts lay in Moesia; by the time of Diocletian, they had been subdivided, and the area of the current Republic was split between Macedonia Salutaris and Moesia prima.

 

During the 580s, Byzantine literature attests to the Slavs raiding Byzantine territories in the region of Macedonia, aided by Avars or Bulgars. Presian's reign apparently coincides with the extension of Bulgarian control over the Slavic tribes in and around Macedonia. The Slavic peoples that settled in the region of Macedonia accepted Christianity as their own religion around the 9th century, during the reign of prince Boris I of Bulgaria.

 

In 1014, Emperor Basil II finally defeated the armies of Tsar Samuil of Bulgaria and by 1018 the Byzantines restored control over Macedonia (and all of the Balkans) for the first time since the 600s. However, by the late 12th century, Byzantine decline saw the region contested by various political entities, including a brief Norman occupation in the 1080s. In the early 13th century, a revived Bulgarian Empire gained control of the region. Plagued by political difficulties the empire did not last and the region came once again under Byzantine control in early 14th century. In the 14th century, it became part of the Serbian Empire, who saw themselves as liberators of their Slavic kin from Byzantine despotism. Skopje became the capital of Tsar Stefan Dusan's empire.

 

With Dusan's death, a weak successor and power struggles between nobles divided the Balkans once again. This coincided with the entry of the Ottoman Turks into Europe. The Kingdom of Prilep was one of the short lived states that emerged from the collapse of the Serbian Empire in the 14th century. With no major Balkan power left to defend Christianity, central Balkans fell to Turkish rule — and remained under it for five centuries.

 

Ottoman rule over the region was considered harsh. Several movements whose goals were the establishment of autonomous Macedonia, encompassing the entire region of Macedonia, began to arise in the late 1800s; the earliest of these was the Bulgarian Macedonian-Adrianople Revolutionary Committees, later transformed to SMORO. In 1905 it was renamed as Internal Macedonian-Adrianople Revolutionary Organization (IMARO) and after World War I the organization separated into the Internal Macedonian Revolutionary Organization (IMRO) and the Internal Thracian Revolutionary Organisation (ITRO). The early organization did not proclaim any ethnic identities; it was officially open to "...uniting all the disgruntled elements in Macedonia and the Adrianople region, regardless of their nationality..." The majority of its members were however Slavic/Bulgarian-speakers. In 1903, IMRO organised the Ilinden-Preobrazhenie Uprising against the Ottomans, which after some initial successes, including the forming of the "Krushevo Republic", was crushed with much loss of life. The uprising and the forming of the Krushevo Republic are considered the cornerstone and precursors to the eventual establishment of the Macedonian state.

 

Following the two Balkan wars of 1912 and 1913 and the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire, most of its European held territories were divided between Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia. The territory of the modern Macedonian state was then named Južna Srbija, "Southern Serbia". After the First World War, Serbia became part of the Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes. In 1929, the Kingdom was officially renamed the Kingdom of Yugoslavia and divided into provinces called banovinas. Southern Serbia, including all of what is now the Republic of Macedonia, became known as the Vardar Banovina of the Kingdom of Yugoslavia.

Yugoslav Macedonia in World War IIHistory of the

Republic of Macedonia

 

 

Main article: National Liberation War of Macedonia

 

During World War II, Yugoslavia was occupied by the Axis Powers from 1941 to 1945. The Vardar Banovina was divided between Bulgaria and Italian-occupied Albania. Bulgarian authorities were responsible for the round-up and deportation of over 7,000 Jews in Skopje and Bitola.[17] Harsh rule by the occupying forces encouraged many Macedonians to support the Communist Partisan resistance movement of Josip Broz Tito, and the National Liberation War ensued, with Axis forces being driven out of Macedonia by the end of 1944.

Macedonia in Socialist Yugoslavia

Main article: Socialist Republic of Macedonia

 

In 1944 the Anti-Fascist Assembly for the National Liberation of Macedonia (ASNOM) proclaimed the People's Republic of Macedonia as part of the People's Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. ASNOM remained an acting government until the end of the war.

 

The new republic became one of the six republics of the Yugoslav federation. Following the federation's renaming as the Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1963, the People's Republic of Macedonia was likewise renamed, becoming the Socialist Republic of Macedonia. It dropped the "Socialist" from its name in 1991 when it peacefully seceded from Yugoslavia.

Declaration of independence

 

The country officially celebrates September 8, 1991 as Independence day (Macedonian: Ден на независноста, Den na nezavisnosta), with regard to the referendum endorsing independence from Yugoslavia, albeit legalising participation in future union of the former states of Yugoslavia. The anniversary of the start of the Ilinden Uprising (St. Elijah's Day) on August 2 is also widely celebrated on an official level as the Day of the Republic.

 

Robert Badinter as a head of Arbitration Commission of the Peace Conference on the former Yugoslavia recommended EC recognition in January 1992.

 

Macedonia remained at peace through the Yugoslav wars of the early 1990s. A few very minor changes to its border with Yugoslavia were agreed upon to resolve problems with the demarcation line between the two countries. However, it was seriously destabilised by the Kosovo War in 1999, when an estimated 360,000 ethnic Albanian refugees from Kosovo took refuge in the country. Although they departed shortly after the war, soon after, Albanian radicals on both sides of the border took up arms in pursuit of autonomy or independence for the Albanian-populated areas of Macedonia.

 

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I have read all these things(there are many, it's almost 10+ pages).

 

Also you can check here!

 

http://www.historyofmacedonia.org/MacedonianGreekConflict/shea.html

[DreaM]

Reason? Or there isn't any?

There is. You should accept how things are now and don't look back. That's why the time that have passed is called history. People make history... but never redo history. Macedonia is Macedonia. Infact i don't know why you guys want Macedonia in the Greece territory. IF you really knew how bad of a nation they were you wouldn't really want them. They threat all balkans badly they are only ok with Serbia they hate all other Countries for once trying to conquer them. And tihs wont stop until you kids dont stop being teached that MKD is greece in your schools that's one big lie. Because history is history. Bulgaria was enslaved by Turkey for over 500 years and what we got freed should now turkey say we are turks ? No ... same story with MKD. Actually MKD has nothing in common with Greece not even culture so even if you get what you want in the end it will be just like France and the colonees of France... most of the colones don't look anything like France and they are in their union just because of the goods. I admire MKDs for trying to proove they should be independent  and yes, that's how it should be like.

[UnEffect]

[GR] LOL

Δεν γινετε να λεει αλλος ναι αλλος οχι, η ειναι ή δεν ειναι ελεος...

Και η Μακεδονια ειναι Ελληνικη διοτι τα ηθη, τα εθιμα, οι παραδωσεις, οι ανθρωποι ολα ειναι Ελληνικα, ακομα και στα χαρτια.

Αρα 'Yes' [/GR]

[ProJecT]

[GR] LOL

Δεν γινετε να λεει αλλος ναι αλλος οχι, η ειναι ή δεν ειναι ελεος...

Και η Μακεδονια ειναι Ελληνικη διοτι τα ηθη, τα εθιμα, οι παραδωσεις, οι ανθρωποι ολα ειναι Ελληνικα, ακομα και στα χαρτια.

Αρα 'Yes' [/GR]

Η Μακεδονια εφοσων ανηκει στην ελλαδα ειναι ελληνικη, αλλα παντα θα παραμενει ξενη. Οπως και εσυ ειπες στα χαρτια! Στην πραγματικοτητα ειναι ξενη και οχι Ελληνικη η Μακεδονια. Απλα πηγαν εζησαν Ελληνες εδω και πολλα χρονια και αναπτυχθηκαν τα ηδη, τα εθιμα και οι παραδοσεις και ετσι αλλαξε.