Discussion Need your opinion! [L2J]

[rowluz]

Hello people,

 

It's been few days, I can't decide one thing, so I would like to get some opinions from you guys. So I'm working on Interlude project, but can't decide what's better option for me. Currently I have lucera 1.7 server files with source, last update was 2019, and lucera has all my custom mods and etc. I would love to work with aCis as well, but it's super clean. So my question is: what's better option to pay dev to fix issues on lucera, and continue work on it, or start to work on acis, and pay to dev for things such as: auction and other mods which lucera had? And another question i know it may sounds stupid, but i have no clue about java at all. I heard that lucera coding differently then other l2j emulators, does it affects DEV costs? I know this thread is kind of lame, but I need help. Thank you for your thoughts.

Edited January 10, 2023 by Vision

[An4rchy]

Lucera does not provide access to source code if you purchase it (unless you purchase source code which I think is more than 1.5k euros), but they provide a plugin system so developers can work on custom features without accessing the source of the server. I'd say it's even easier to code something in a plugin as listener logic is pretty straightforward and it's harder to mess things up (unless it's already messed server-side by lucera devs).

 

aCis can be great or worse, depending on which revision you use and for which type of server you use it for.

For example the new territory spawn system along with AI rework is incomplete, so if you try to use a revision later than 401 you will for sure run into problems with npcs. If you go for 401, it then depends on what type of server you wanna open. If you want to open a custom server that pays no attention to retail scripts/features you won't have any problems, however if you need retail scripts there's a few missing ones that you need to add before starting to work on customs. Also a few bugs here and there but nothing too hard to fix.

 

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I'd go for lucera, it's battle tested by multiple servers and it's more 'completed' than aCis in their current state. Please note that 'completed' means that there's no missing features, not that it's 100% retail because it's not and it can't be.

This will change after aCis finishes AI rework + few issues left with spawn system, no existing announced pack will be even close to what aCis will offer then.

[Quark]

1 hour ago, An4rchy said:

This will change after aCis finishes AI rework + few issues left with spawn system, no existing announced pack will be even close to what aCis will offer then.

And geoengine. And summons. And movement. And....

So far only quests are better from lucera.

BTW AI rework (retail alike) is not new - vampir has already done it in his project

[rowluz]

What about costs of Dev, is it really different coding style between ru and eu? Are developers charge more because ru coding is different? 

[An4rchy]

4 hours ago, Quark said:

And geoengine. And summons. And movement. And....

So far only quests are better from lucera.

BTW AI rework (retail alike) is not new - vampir has already done it in his project

 

Geoengine of aCis is decent, movement as well.

 

vampir files are the most advanced by far as far as I know(I'm currently following up his work on L2Etina as developer), however I said 'announced' projects. vampir's files have been and will always be private. And L2OFF AI is one of many features in these files that make them far superior (bypass scripting system, free marker implementation, l2off skill engine and formulas, game object conditions accessible from any script/html/config etc). His work is actually remarkable.

 

  

3 hours ago, rowluz said:

What about costs of Dev, is it really different coding style between ru and eu? Are developers charge more because ru coding is different? 

 

Their prices are not visible unless you contact them as far as I know, also I have no clue what their files look like or if they're battle-tested.

Edited January 11, 2023 by An4rchy

[KejbL]

When u dont know java not use acis (only when have 2-3k euro for devs maybe more, trust me i use it... ) when can make custom mid server need pay dev for make more custom things + acis fixes... for me best way Lucera 2 - IL files... it cost with core files 200-300e or ? Unity, epicfail use it but dont know if use only basic files.

And Unity server have rly good features and i think its maybe best IL server now.

BTW Last version Acis is still not playable  missing more things...

Edited January 11, 2023 by KejbL

[An4rchy]

9 hours ago, KejbL said:

When u dont know java not use acis (only when have 2-3k euro for devs maybe more, trust me i use it... ) when can make custom mid server need pay dev for make more custom things + acis fixes... for me best way Lucera 2 - IL files... it cost with core files 200-300e or ? Unity, epicfail use it but dont know if use only basic files.

And Unity server have rly good features and i think its maybe best IL server now.

BTW Last version Acis is still not playable  missing more things...

 

The problem is that admins like you can never appreciate the hard work some people do so you can open your w/e pvp custom super duper server without having to think of very important issues that they solved for you. aCis is not playable in last revision, but in my opinion aCis should still cost more than lucera. Development is slow, but efficient and on the right path.

 

I understand that you're mad because you had to pay developers to fix your aCis files for you, but this is your fault in the first place for not doing the necessary research before deciding which files to use.

 

Also L2Unity is still p2w which is outdated, with minimal effort to differentiate its features from what vanilla lucera offers. Not to mention they still use interlude client and never moved to Classic which is a must in 2023. I wouldn't call that the best IL server by any means.

[KejbL]

2 hours ago, An4rchy said:

 

The problem is that admins like you can never appreciate the hard work some people do so you can open your w/e pvp custom super duper server without having to think of very important issues that they solved for you. aCis is not playable in last revision, but in my opinion aCis should still cost more than lucera. Development is slow, but efficient and on the right path.

 

I understand that you're mad because you had to pay developers to fix your aCis files for you, but this is your fault in the first place for not doing the necessary research before deciding which files to use.

 

Also L2Unity is still p2w which is outdated, with minimal effort to differentiate its features from what vanilla lucera offers. Not to mention they still use interlude client and never moved to Classic which is a must in 2023. I wouldn't call that the best IL server by any means.

Acis is good files ofc... good write and ez edit for dev but need only more time to finish its all.

I dont talk its bad files its only cant use for start server now when buy lucera today, tommorow can open server...

Yeah IL client its problem now but how cost Classic files + classic things for client ?  and still all server use now only engline from Classic not other features ( no l2dex ).

You know better IL server how unity  (when look how player not dev )  i do not think so...

And its not HATE he need only opinion and i write him me opinion and problem when dont know java 

 

 

 

Edited January 12, 2023 by KejbL

[An4rchy]

1 hour ago, KejbL said:

Acis is good files ofc... good write and ez edit for dev but need only more time to finish its all.

I dont talk its bad files its only cant use for start server now when buy lucera today, tommorow can open server...

Yeah IL client its problem now but how cost Classic files + classic things for client ?  and still all server use now only engline from Classic not other features ( no l2dex ).

You know better IL server how unity  (when look how player not dev )  i do not think so...

And its not HATE he need only opinion and i write him me opinion and problem when dont know java 

 

You only need to use the engine from Classic because this is the only thing that you need. We're talking about Interlude server and not Classic server, you just run Interlude on updated client for better performance and more possibilities.

 

About prices, I think only lucera offers interlude on classic secret of empire client atm (commercially). But it's very easy work for an experienced developer to make their server work on another client.

 

L2Unity is literally c/p same mid-rate project since 10 years ago, not to mention you can donate to get a buff book which you can use out of town and contains all buffs, which is ridiculous. Pay 2 win is outdated and won't live long in L2 interlude community, reborn made sure of that. Wanna try a far better server than Unity? L2Etina.com / L2Reborn.org you're welcome.

[KejbL]

13 minutes ago, An4rchy said:

 

You only need to use the engine from Classic because this is the only thing that you need. We're talking about Interlude server and not Classic server, you just run Interlude on updated client for better performance and more possibilities.

 

About prices, I think only lucera offers interlude on classic secret of empire client atm (commercially). But it's very easy work for an experienced developer to make their server work on another client.

 

L2Unity is literally c/p same mid-rate project since 10 years ago, not to mention you can donate to get a buff book which you can use out of town and contains all buffs, which is ridiculous. Pay 2 win is outdated and won't live long in L2 interlude community, reborn made sure of that. Wanna try a far better server than Unity? L2Etina.com / L2Reborn.org you're welcome.

nah etina/reborn its not IL servers man  i play on both server and community here its rly useless  pve greek/br players. buff book its pay 2 win ?

Edited January 12, 2023 by KejbL

[An4rchy]

6 hours ago, KejbL said:

nah etina/reborn its not IL servers man  i play on both server and community here its rly useless  pve greek/br players. buff book its pay 2 win ?

 

L2Unity is full of phantoms, real players is 1/3 of what they advertise. If you ever played etina or reborn you'd see how much pvp there is. In reborn we were 260 vs 240 in antharas, that was season 1 with 1/2 of season 2 players.

[rowluz]

Oh yes, Reborn c6 was top even tho it was bugland at the beginning   they used Acis, but then switched to Lucera. I decided that I will stick with current Lucera sources, and will create full time job position for someone  Topic can be closed. thanks.

[KejbL]

3 hours ago, An4rchy said:

 

L2Unity is full of phantoms, real players is 1/3 of what they advertise. If you ever played etina or reborn you'd see how much pvp there is. In reborn we were 260 vs 240 in antharas, that was season 1 with 1/2 of season 2 players.

Yeah last season have more phantoms but still have on pvp 3-4 side for 5pts

I play on reborn last 2 seasons and on epics all time d1ckhold  100vs200 or 150vs300 with double zerg

This server have update client but what other add ? cloaks? pets ?

Where is next new clients features ? skills ? new farm zones ? instance ? and other features ?...

[An4rchy]

11 hours ago, KejbL said:

Yeah last season have more phantoms but still have on pvp 3-4 side for 5pts

I play on reborn last 2 seasons and on epics all time d1ckhold  100vs200 or 150vs300 with double zerg

This server have update client but what other add ? cloaks? pets ?

Where is next new clients features ? skills ? new farm zones ? instance ? and other features ?...

 

Nothing is next, if something works you don't change it. You only improve it.

Since season 2 clans have limits on players/ally, so zergs are no more.

 

Also why would anyone play a server that they KNOW has phantoms? It's like the admin telling you 'you're dumb, give me money' and you actually give it to them. Servers like Unity is one of the reasons Interlude community is as it is nowadays, clans need to be payed to play and people leave as soon as first heroes come out. Pathetic. L2EpicFail did a far better job than L2Unity in just 2 servers and L2Unity has been open for years.

[KejbL]

1 hour ago, An4rchy said:

 

Nothing is next, if something works you don't change it. You only improve it.

Since season 2 clans have limits on players/ally, so zergs are no more.

 

Also why would anyone play a server that they KNOW has phantoms? It's like the admin telling you 'you're dumb, give me money' and you actually give it to them. Servers like Unity is one of the reasons Interlude community is as it is nowadays, clans need to be payed to play and people leave as soon as first heroes come out. Pathetic. L2EpicFail did a far better job than L2Unity in just 2 servers and L2Unity has been open for years.

Its still only IL client make 80lvl A/S grade items and bb go on other server.

And on reborn/etina admin not give reward for clan/cps u think ?

Unity have phantoms but how many ppls play on epics on epicfail ? and how many on unity ?