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Too much bullsh*t on this topic ...
In short:
1) The creator of that specific logo spent some time on it. It's (at least) disrespectful to use it without his permission. Also, paying for a logo != owning the logo (depends on the agreement)
2) If you are getting paid to play servers, you are not really part of the "community".
It's a job in this case. There are too many conflicted interests and deals on the background which are even against the "community's interest"... I dont really want to continue on this topic because its way offtopic and shady enough to talk about this here.
Besides, no one should talk in the name of the community like he is some kind of representative.
3) L2Gold.in is a borderline playable server.
Define "good","best l2gold" ... Then compare that definition with .in.
Do i really have to mention the bot fiesta during PvP events?
It's 2020 and noone can reach the 2013 client when it comes to "balance".
People might argue that the playstyle has changed but my answer to that is : Did it change?
Examples: BDs going into prayroom for medusa / WLs in less amount
I pull rbs since 2010.
Mage / Fighter parties.
Cancel bots? For those who were playing C4, before the merge "Elwira" made the insta ToD with a 3-5 second cast. It was a problem and people abused it but noone really cared.There were SpS bots and less ToD bots.
Adr, X Mas trees etc and maybe WL parties on Epics (because the Epics were cheap anyway )changed the gameplay a bit but thats it.
4) The server has name L2Gold but its on Classic and without "L2 Gold skill engine" (e.g BD dances).
This is trash. It would be better to look for any old L2Gold backup server than this garbage.
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16 hours ago, Trance said:
Something like that I guess.
Every (server's) admin should have a profile-history with his previous work.
Hiding behind new nicknames is just disgusting.
Why would you feel ashamed, as an admin/developer, to show your previous work (or even github)?
People should support those who work hard enough to make a name for themselves.
These people have done so much damage to the community and the game itself ...
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On 5/11/2020 at 6:50 PM, Trance said:
Apparently Lineage II used to slowly die, until now. This quarantine has brought many people back.
Lineage II is dying for the same reason other games/servers are dying. Community being toxic and always in search of perfection that did not exist, just like how "balance" is misinterpreted, "balance" is not about equality between classes, each class has its counter. Every player has its own vision - how something should be/look like. That's why you need to let them know how your vision is and make them understand.
Do you remember how clan members used to follow leaders and co-leaders many, many years ago? Now each of them believes that he/she is superior to anyone else. Everyone thinks they know everything perfectly. So it's a mess between players and clans as well.
Another reason would be that, hell yeah, server owners, they don't care to learn something they don't already know, basic computer networking or how a small business should work. They don't wanna leave their comfort zone. As a server owner, you should know at least the basics of all of them - computer networking, server developing, client developing, web developing, how a maintenance should be done overall, and so on - everything that your server needs - only in this way can you control the quality of the server and the people who work with or for you.
I m surprised with your take on this ... You should know better ...
A few years ago you decided to share your L2Gold pack because people were selling it in the black market.
The result? Random people without any (programming) knowledge were opening servers in order to milk theL2Gold trademark.How much on average those servers last with this mess?The original server itself was stable until 2013 when it actually closed without any announcement.The donations weren't the problem.People were "loyal" to that server.Can you really blame all these people for quitting later on when every single one of the servers (later on) closed after 3-4 months (which became 1-2 months)? This argument, about toxic players who quit, is so funny to me like people weren't playing a server or two for years until 2012.
Its stupid to expect people to farm over and over again for the same items in the same server after a wipe.The whole trust between admins and players is gone and its not player's fault that people were given shared packs and tools in order to ruin further the legit developers.
Wannabe "admins" got tools and packs in their hands which they shouldn't have in the first place.In order to make this work, these people had to be either skilled either have cash to pay for developers.Guess what happened...
Anyway,Things should have been handled differently because sites/forums (like this one) gave all these people the tools to milk players with minimum effort which means damaging legit developers/admins.
It would be nice to have a discussion in a "ground" that I/we can open up "freely".Lmk
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50 minutes ago, SweeTs said:
@bravetobe I don't take any side, I'm not a player since years and I'm not an admin as well. I just see even my old clan how things works, I see how servers (re)open like mushrooms.
First and foremost, if you don't like the graphic and there are better games, just play them. No one forces l2 players to play old shitty graphic game. So it's stupid to even mention that. If you play l2 that means it's OK for you. Sounds like another random excuse why I change server each week.
Exactly, if it's so old, bad and not fashion anymore. Why the hell you still play it. I grew up and I don't play it or any other game anymore. People should do the same. But no, people still play it and complains for things that doesn't exists or didn't bother in past. If it's bothering you, again, STOP PLAYING IT. People are doing the same thing over and over, join server, get gear, pvp, complain that it's boring and jump into NEW, FRESH server, yet it's obvious it's gonna be the same story. Endless loop you can't jump out.
Exactly, but people leave it anyway. So.. You really think that it's an admin fault? It's just people stupidity. It's not like "damn, there are 500 active players and they don't donate, let's make a wipe to force them to donate again". No, it's not. They do wipe to make a fresh start - it's what people want today. To start over again. At least it is / it looks like that.
Paying clans to join their server is also pathetic, but that's how shaddy and corrupted players are and why they keep playing it.
Anyway, I won't quote or answer more as it's pointless. Both sides are guilty, but players mostly. As they are changing servers each day/week. Who cares if some random or not server pops up. No one forces to join it and leave old server.
Your points dont make sense because the arguments are based on the fact that its 2010 with 2010 standards but its not.
The vast majority who play this game have being playing for long enough to make their own comparisons.
L2 was good enough back then to invest time and grind in the stable (with 2010 standards) servers but guess what... Now its 2019.
Its so stupid to repeat the same 2 arguments over and over again and trust me noone wants a "fresh start".The "fresh start" is the concept that l2 admins figured out in order to get money.As i said,if it wasnt profitable enough ,they wouldnt reopen.They dont open their servers because they want to contribute.Its all about money.People keep donating for the exact same items every time.
I really love the fact that you wrote just 1 sentence for the corruption part ,which you ended up blaming the players but let me ask you this: If someone offered you money to play a game which you will play anyway ,would you accept it or not?
Also you didnt mention that AN ADMIN offered the money in order to get people from another server which guess what ... it has an ADMIN.The admins just pay people in order to get clans from one another.Thats what you do is to blame players instead of admins.Thats how you actually ruin decent servers tbh.
If you want to blame someone,blame the admins and not the players.Players have invested years in the same servers.
The only things that have changed are : The age of the players,who wont spend their whole lives playing the same server and the admins.Thats what you do is to blame the players instead of blaming the admins who didnt make any adaption.
You straight up blamed the players for not playing 2010-2012 packs because "you played those packs back then and now you dont.you are the one to blame".
I wont keep arguing and wont quote again its pointless as i mentioned in the first post.A lot of people are disconnected from the reality but hey thats how a lot of people make money until they wont.
P.S Instead of blaming the players or the competition (other games based on 2019 standards),blame the terrible product which makes no adaptions to be better.
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2 hours ago, SweeTs said:
Actually, you get wiped after each match, yet you still play it
Players blame admina, trashtalk 'shared buggy pack', Adkins blame players, such a stupid wheel.
And no, it doesn't matter if it's shared, ready to use or bugged. Feeeew years back, like 10
everyone was playing on those buggy shared free packs. Why? Bcs you liked to play it. Now you think you want to play it, but you actually don't and so, there are various excuses about any glitch, which back it time didn't bother you. It's simply not as addictive as it used to be.
2 hours ago, SweeTs said:Another bulls.. Guess why admins wipe, bcs people leave server as they reached max, had fun and they go to next server to do exactly the same,from 0, over and over again.. Bot, get max gear, pvp 1 day, leave.
So yeah, it's community fault that admins wipe, so those players can join it anew as they do it each week.
Global mod who quotes 2 times the same person in 2 different posts
I dont expect a non biased opinion from someone who is in the biased side of admins but anyway i will give this a try:
Your arguments in those 2 posts were
1)Our packs were buggy back in the day (2010) and you liked them.Why you dont like them now ,after 10 years?
2) People reaching "max" (what does that even mean?) and then quit in order to play from 0,so admin has to wipe reopen
So let me explain why those 2 points are annoying at best:
1)Its 2019 going to 2020.There are numerous games to play which vary in quality but the options are better nowadays.Just pick up several games from 2010 and several games now.The quality ("graphics") are better.There are better options right now ,even if you consider the market as flooded with MTX in order to make "games as a service" and not a product.
Why would you expect people to spend like 60 hours in a server which will get wiped like 99% of the time?That doesnt make sense.In 60 hours you can play and finish most of the AAA videogames.
Your point doesnt make sense to me because the L2 community is flooded with wannabe developers who use the exact same pack which is played more than 123 times.When enough is enough?The progression of this game is minimal and the fact that admins just open a shared pack is not punishable in any community is catastrophic for those who actually try to create a more stable server because the number of the servers which open-reopen are way to many.
I really dont understand how a human being with more than 80IQ can say that "You guys played in 2010 a buggy pack-videogame which was in fashion but now ,10 years later,you dont.Why?"
Its not about addiction.Its about appealing and the game is not in fashion anymore.People who used to play this game grew up.Admins didnt make any adaption so guess what ...
2)What does max even mean? In every server you have to exp characters in order to PvP with the characters you like.Grinding is the main concept of every single server.It doesnt make sense to leave a server after that grinding and all those hours of exping but guess what : Its 2019. Admins open the donations in the 3rd day and new servers pay clan leader to pull them into their server.You havent heard that i guess or any other shady deals (% of clan member donation),dont you?
Besides,reopening the exact same server with the exact same concept but minimal tweaks will change the situation right?
The fact that admins add donations in the first week even in low rate servers make your argument at least idiotic.
In other words,you expect from people to play the same 5-10yold packs with tweaks because people had fan 10y ago when the game was in fashion like every MMO.People just play some PvP and move on in the next server because there is no trust anymore between the community and the admins just because there are way too many servers with way too many shaddy deals.If it wasnt profitable for the admins to wipe reopen,you wouldnt see so many servers doing it,which means it works for them until it doesnt because the community grows up and the community decreases every year.
Both of your posts shows how much disconnected admins/developers are from reality.
Hopefully you were trolling with the "why dont you play the same buggy staff for 1289312 time like 10 years ago".
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5 hours ago, mr zero said:
Only the community can bring an end to "lol 2k19 3 weeks" philosophy. The admin of this server is correct in pointing out that people jump around for the slightest of reasons these days.
But if you want your server to live for more than 3 weeks you gotta make sure you constantly battle against bots, and make sure you swing that ban-hammer whenever necessary. If you're scared to put up with some of the crap "big clans" do, among other things, don't bother opening a server.
There are still plenty of people who just want to enjoy this game in a stable environment. You just need to cut off all the fat and make sure there's enough meat left.
You cant stop people from opening borderline garbage (shared buggy pack) servers in order to cashout in 3 weeks.
If you want to blame people who leave after 2-3 weeks,then you have to explain how exactly someone has to play in a shared pack more than 3 weeks and why its worth to spend more than 60+ hours in order to make decent gear.
If its not the admins,then why donations open in the 3 days (week tops)? If its not the admins,then why they pay clans and clan leaders with % of the donations (clan members) with shady deals?
(Reminder: 60+ hours grinding.You can complete a AAA videogame,or play 60-70 games of LoL in the same amount without being wiped.)
Why would you start farming over and over again in order to get the exact same items after the 20th wipe?
Botting is like "cheating" in order to skip the antifun part of the game and pvp with "decent" gear.Its not like there werent 5-10y old servers.Dont blame the community for something that "l2 admins" brought.You cant wipe 20 times and expect from people to take your server seriously.
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There are people who (are allowed) advertise their antibots in this forum."Maxcheaters" btw.
Sharing does more harm than good right now.Noone is willing to use shares in order to create new stuff (extend or use the idea for something new).Leechers will just add it to their shared packs in order to create a 2 week server or just scam wannabe developers.There is a need for purge but noone is willing to even discuss it because short term profit is good enough (until its not).
The site has lost its purpose thats all.
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1 hour ago, AchYlek said:
i have troll skill, its enough?
no.sad storka though
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Discussions like this one are pointless for several reasons.
The first discussion should be about the parasite servers and how exactly forums like this one will promote skilled developers/admins.
Nowadays servers last for like 3 weeks with borderline "decent" files and no changes before reopening.People know that the server wont exist after that point.
Why would you grind in a server like this one? Do you have Stockholm syndrome?
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6 minutes ago, Kara` said:
[GR] BravetoBe Βοηθα ρε μαλακα σ λιγο θα θελουνε 1 ευρω source και θα κλαινε επειδη δεν εχουνε και host δωρο [/GR]
OP should be banned on sight.
Sharing other's work is disgusting.
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Paying a developer to fix stuff or even create is somewhat irrelevant because the vast majority of the servers are dogshit nowadays.So the competition is based on concept of the server and the advertisement.How much you will pay ($/$ per donation of clan member or items) several leaders to join your server?
So,its all about having a pack or not.
Most of the servers wipe and reopen using the exact same pack with some tweaking.
Dont delay,get your free "trance's pack" today.
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39 minutes ago, AchYlek said:
soon will be if you enter mxc, you will get asked if you want go to l2tales site ;D
mxc redirected you to redmoon site for a while.
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nob system with crown rbs : check
exp 4 times to finish your char : check
refine armor : check
x75 : check
admin hides his identity with random nickname : check ( =DEVELOPER= )
gold inside server's name : check
It must be L2Gold server!
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4 hours ago, Kara` said:
You guys are like copy paste since 2004
Thats what they do with shared files since 2004
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At least NSFW ads are gone ... for now.
Be thankful for that
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18 hours ago, Kara` said:
Lineage 2 survived so far and will continue to be available due to low rate - C4 memories we all have. Nobody have a memory of full community board or batman capes. The game was so well-made and most of people spend childhood with it thats why. This childwood can't be replaced with +5000 weapons and community boards. But because you don't want to repeat your memories exactly as they were, you add shit customs and you end up trashing the whole memory you had. (It's worst when you want to be admin).
I used to play L2Gold servers for years and played the original L2Gold for like a decade.
I m not referred to +50000 weapons.Custom armor (so called Apella) + custom weapon (+16-21) were nice touches.
Also,I think you missed my point.As i said,L2 feels like outdated and it requires low APM.Increased attpseed/casting with the proper dmg makes the game better.
To be honest,the original L2G had sweet spots for all the classes.The reason why there are so many L2Gold servers is this but they cant find those sweet spots neither the db so ...
I m against those very fancy armors too but sticking with dragonic is kind of meh since i have played that kind of server for so many years
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17 minutes ago, Kara` said:
The community right now pay attention into pridelike-gracia, interlude PVP and H5 with community board. In my opinion these are the biggest losers. Instant 99 lv +500 batman armors and community board everywhere with 1 click functions is their "min" to join else you end up with 5 people online.
Continue your C4 and keep your "standars" very low. Set an expectation of max +20 people in grand opening and be honest with the advertisements. Avoid words like "expect +1000, best!!, no DONATIONS!!" as they trigger a "NOP." to whoever read them. Avoid customs and "balance". Lineage 2 is very balanced. The only unbalance thing it has is the resists and the custom armors you add..
Thats all from me
The thing is,its 2019.The concept hasnt changed for years and the game itself lacks when it comes to mechanics.
Farming over and over again for the same items for so many years is just stupid.Besides,the server is going to close in a month.The whole concept is outdated.
Custom armors and "lvl 99" makes the game fancier and "faster" (higher APM) when it comes to PvP (which means less boring).
Personally i like C4.C6 is "overused".
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i wouldnt trust a "developer" who isnt able to find a unique name for his own server tbh.
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Εάν είναι δουλειά που δεν πρόκειται να ξανασυμβεί ,βάλτα σε paypal.
Εάν δουλεύεις και πληρώνεσε τακτικά,τότε μπλοκάκι.Καλό θα ήταν να πας σε λογιστή.Αυτός ξέρει καλύτερα από randoms ενός forum.Υπάρχουν λογιστές που ξέρουν πολύ καλά τη δουλεία τους και μπορούν να σου πουν τι και πως.Καλό θα ήταν να πας εάν πληρώνεσαι τακτικά.
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9 hours ago, .Ares said:
This guy just spit some truth over here.
To be honest , it's none of my business the l2 scene anymore but its the game ive loved the most and its so sad seeing the current situation getting worse and worse. I wish there were just profesionals who would bring the game back , alive and kicking , truth to the bone.
Best regards.
At the end of the day,more and more people will stop playing this videogame,so even this forum will get less revenue from the ads / VIPs.Its shame that staff wont act until its too late.The healthiest part of the community left for good.Thats the reason why people are thinking about "the good old days" even the server was somewhat crappy.
Its 2018 with way more skilled people to code stuff but yet again noone can achieve a healthy environment.
As i said the other day,its so fcking disgusting that wiping-cashing out happens in less than a month.
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2 hours ago, AchYlek said:
so there will be only offi servers
since every servers using phantoms / fake online.
If we consider the amount of people looking for a server on mxc a constant,then less garbage servers advertised into the forum will get more people into their servers
Someone might ask me "Which server will be considered good and which server will be considered garbage?"
Answer: Staff has to create new rules.Previous projects/Events/Code sharing/Name of the developer/Vouches from known people can put give credit score.
Reopening the shame crappy server over and over again without any new (non shared) feature pushes people away from the videogame and skilled developers lose revenue.The forum and the community itself has to reward hardworking people instant of garbage servers but thats impossible right now since the forum is flooded by garbage.We have to enable the garbage collector.
The servers who just straight up lie for their online should be considered garbage homemade servers.
Besides,you have to be idiot to use fakeonline and actually believe that the rest of the people wont figure it out.
Especially the admins who use fake online in the towns need a fcking dunk in their necks and kick in their ass and gtfo.
E: rewording
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Every server that uses fakeonline / players who log out as "bots" etc,need a permaban.
Admins/Mods have to create some new rules.This cancer has been spread much.Its fcking disgusting.
Meanwhile,if u post about that crap on their topics,mods will clean the topic so ur posts will be deleted and u will be considered a troll.Hopefully,every single server will keep dying in a week until either game dies either staff decides to promote the skilled developers or at least not cashgrab admins who wipe in less than a month.
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1 hour ago, Kara` said:
Φθοροαντιμονικο οξυ στις λεμφικες απολυξεις σου ευχομαι με λιγο Τ5 με νεοπλασματικο δεικτη C125.
Ναι αυτο θα κανουμε τζαμια σε ολη την Ελλαδα για τα υποκαταστατα της κοινωνιας που αμα εκ φερεις διαφορετικη θρησκευτικη αποψη σε αποκεφαλιζουν (πριν πεις οτι μαλακια σου ερθει δεν εχω δει τηλεοραση 7 χρονια τωρα, η 60αρα μου δεν εχει καν καλωδιο κεραιας).
ναι εχεις δικιο. Εισαι τοσο ασχετος που μεχρι και ο xdem για τη μαλακια του ειχε κανει share spree system 30 γραμμων που ειναι χ100 φορες καλυτερο απο το δικο σου με ηχους και enum. Τι μιλας τωρα δεν ξερω αλλα οταν τα βρισκουμε σκουρα τα ριχνουμε στη πλακα ολα πεταμε και ενα emoji και καθαρισαμε.
Φυσιολογικά πράγματα Καππα (βασικά αυτό)
everyone was playing on those buggy shared free packs. Why? Bcs you liked to play it. Now you think you want to play it, but you actually don't and so, there are various excuses about any glitch, which back it time didn't bother you. It's simply not as addictive as it used to be.
[L2OFF] L2GOLD
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That's not true.
No one (from those who open gold servers) has the files of the real gold (c6).
i will just say that there are several specific characteristics which made the client unique.
These characteristics were : Gameplay / "Hidden mechanics" (not really bugs) / Skill changes / Minor bugs.
People should not spread misinformation.How come everyone has "real l2gold files" but noone has a single copy of the old database.Besides, even Avo moved to Java server. He didn't have the files.